The Mongols Motorcycle Club

The motorcycle and car club scene in Southern Cal is growing and has globalized in recent years. They are not gangs, but many former gang members have got into them.
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Re: The Mongols Motorcycle Club

Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » April 8th, 2010, 10:25 pm

skollyman wrote:Are you saying HA's is also mixed? Everybody I've seen from HA's looks White.
lol yeh on the tv[/quote] Do all look white on tv to you, huh? They all look white to me on tv too & every where else I've seen them.

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Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » April 9th, 2010, 12:37 pm

skollyman wrote:
MMRbkaRudog wrote:
skollyman wrote:Are you saying HA's is also mixed? Everybody I've seen from HA's looks White.
lol yeh on the tv
Do all look white on tv to you, huh? They all look white to me on tv too & every where else I've seen them.
wow is english your first language or are you some kind of honkey german nazi lol i didn't get what you said hunz![/quote] WTF? American-English is 1 of my 1st languages & if you don't understand, then you're the 1 that needs to gtfo out like you told some1 else on here. I was saying all HA's look White to me & not just on tv. Why would they only look white on tv? Have you seen any different? That is what I was trying to ask.

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Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » April 9th, 2010, 1:33 pm

skollyman wrote:I'm sorry i was drunk when i posted that anyway no your wrong about all HA being white I THIS COUNTRY! most bikers are arabs or pacfic islanders them stomped the white out.
I didn't say anything about your country, but maybe I saw some non-white 1's in the media. I just can't remember ever seeing 1 that didn't look white & maybe most bikers in your area are Arab or Islander, but not in a lot of other areas.

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Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » April 9th, 2010, 1:55 pm

skollyman wrote:uh no your wrong about that.
You really weren't lying in that other topic, where you said you don't talk like you know shit.

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jeff wrote:\I think the Outlaws MC have in their rules that it's a white only club.
Outlaws do allow hispanics.
jeff wrote:\The HA president in San Francisco had a hispanic surname, the one that was shot and killed allegedly over an issue with the Mongols.
I think he had an Italian surname.
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jeff wrote:\I think your quote "All 1%ers are outlaws but not all outlaws are 1%ers". Very true. And another thing about the racial issue, I don't think I know of any asian,native, or african-american 1%er clubs, but there may be some that could be considered outlaw clubs.
What do you think? Chicanos are the only non-white clubs I can think of that went with the 1%er identity
Indios MC rock "Less than 1%" patches. It's a funny play on the concept that NAmericans constitute less than 1% of the US population. Wheels of Soul MC and Chosen Few MC are 1%ers (started by AA), I think Ghetto Riders MC and Outcasts MC (started by AA) are 1%. Ching-A-Lings is 1% (started by AA and PRs)
jeff wrote:\I actually didn't know Mongols set up a berdoo chapter also, plus Oakland, they're really bold! The truces seem fleeting, I've even seen pictures of HA's and Outlaws MC together. More recently in person I've seen Outlaws MC and Vagos MC interact, so I assume they are on good terms with each other. Some would say it's really HA's against the world, and it kind of seems that way. I would surprised by this but when I googled them I saw that they are a law enforcement-inclusive club.
The Berdoo and Oakland charter are newer charters. That is some bold shit! Outlaws-Mongols-Vagos-Bandidos and their "puppet clubs" all chill. HAMC/and their puppet clubs, Peckerwoods MC, Warlocks (Florida born)-Iron Horsemen-Henchmen all chill. Then you got clubs like Warlocks (Philly born), The Breed, Pagans, and Sons of Silence that stay out of it, unless someone encroaches. Pagans, Breed, and Philly Warlocks beef with HAMC, and any one else that encroaches. I think SOSMC gets along with HAMC.

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Unread post by 19DAGO04 » April 9th, 2010, 3:41 pm

[/quote] Are you saying HA's is also mixed? Everybody I've seen from HA's looks White.[/quote]

Yes sir.

HAMC has Asians (Frisco, Oakland, Cleveland), NAmericans (many US charters), Chicanos (many CAL and AZ charters), South Americans (Brazil/Chilean Charters). There was even a African American in an English Charter (http://www.hellsangelswindsor.co.uk/memorial.htm). There have been many non-whites in their puppet clubs. The actor David LaBrava (Happy on Sons of Anarchy) is a Hells Angel. And I don't think he is a white boy.

All that HAMC racist, white, redneck BS is spewed out by the media and law enforcement. They just look at the Swazis and Sigs and try to demonize HAMC as a racist organization/gang. Of course there are racist Angels (and whole charters that are probably racist), but a HA will always choose brother/club over race. No matter what. That's part of being in a club like that.

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Re: The Mongols Motorcycle Club

Unread post by 19DAGO04 » April 9th, 2010, 3:45 pm

skollyman=troll

pay no heed to this fool.

just peep all his other posts.

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19DAGO04 wrote:
Are you saying HA's is also mixed? Everybody I've seen from HA's looks White.[/quote]

Yes sir.

HAMC has Asians (Frisco, Oakland, Cleveland), NAmericans (many US charters), Chicanos (many CAL and AZ charters), South Americans (Brazil/Chilean Charters). There was even a African American in an English Charter (http://www.hellsangelswindsor.co.uk/memorial.htm). There have been many non-whites in their puppet clubs. The actor David LaBrava (Happy on Sons of Anarchy) is a Hells Angel. And I don't think he is a white boy.

All that HAMC racist, white, redneck BS is spewed out by the media and law enforcement. They just look at the Swazis and Sigs and try to demonize HAMC as a racist organization/gang. Of course there are racist Angels (and whole charters that are probably racist), but a HA will always choose brother/club over race. No matter what. That's part of being in a club like that.[/quote] I never considered them wp, but I know some rode under that in prison at least & I'm used to seeing mostly whites. I do remember the black guy now & w/all the chapters world wide, I guess they got to have a mix in some places.

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Re: The Mongols Motorcycle Club

Unread post by 19DAGO04 » April 14th, 2010, 12:17 pm

I just read Barger's first book. Someone suggested it to me this weekend. He wrote about a few non-whites from- HAMCO-. Filipino-Hawaiin-Mexican members. Johnny Angel (one of the most know HA's besides Barger) is not white. I think he is Native or Mexican.

Any one read Cavaso's book? Is it worth the read?

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Unread post by 19DAGO04 » April 19th, 2010, 1:52 am

Interesting aerticle.

member of Mongols Dago charter also a documented -NLR-

EL CAJON – A motorcycle gang member with a long history of violence pulled a .45-caliber pistol from his waistband outside a bar and fatally shot an unarmed man who had ties to a rival gang, prosecutors said yesterday.

Ray Nolan Waldron, 29, is being tried in El Cajon Superior Court in the Sept. 27 shooting death of David "L.J." Florentine, 56, shortly after midnight outside an East Bradley Avenue bar just outside El Cajon.

Waldron, a member of the Mongols motorcycle gang, "shot repeatedly at L.J. Florentine in the parking lot of Kelly's Pub" after a brief verbal confrontation, prosecutor Gordon Paul Davis said in his opening statement.

Waldron also shot a second man, who was hit in a leg, Davis said. Florentine was hit with five bullets and died at the scene.

Defense attorney Roger Agajanian declined to make an opening statement yesterday, saying he would do so later in the trial.

Waldron is charged with murder and attempted murder in furtherance of the criminal activities of a motorcycle gang. He also is charged with assault with a firearm and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon.

Because of previous convictions, Waldron could face more than 100 years in prison if convicted, his lawyer said.

In court documents, the prosecutor has portrayed the shooting outside Kelly's Pub as part of a feud between the Mongols and the Hells Angels that began in the 1970s.

The feud has led to a series of violent flare-ups, including an April 2002 brawl at Harrah's Casino in Laughlin, Nev., in which a Mongol and two Hells Angels were killed.

Davis said Florentine and some friends were leaving the bar to go home when Waldron arrived with a group of men wearing Mongols clothing.

The bar's doorman warned Florentine and the others that the Mongols had arrived, Davis said. He said the doorman told Waldron and his group that they couldn't enter the bar wearing gang clothing "and that's when it started."

Waldron and a friend confronted Florentine, Davis said. He said the argument escalated and Waldron pulled a gun and began firing, hitting Florentine. The second victim saw Waldron continue shooting Florentine after Florentine had fallen to the ground, Davis said.

According to a prison gang expert who testified in a January preliminary hearing, Waldron also is a documented affiliated member of the Nazi Low Riders, a white supremacist prison gang that works under the guidance of the Aryan Brotherhood.

Waldron was convicted in San Diego in 1997 of terrorist hate crimes for using a knife to attack a black person, and in 1994 he was convicted of a Riverside County robbery in which he used a sawed-off shotgun, according to court documents.

Court security is tighter than normal. People attending the trial must pass through a second set of metal detectors outside the courtroom after they have gone through metal detectors at the front door of the courthouse.

By court order, no one wearing gang colors, insignias or other paraphernalia is allowed to enter the courtroom.

"We're not expecting any problems, but we're prepared to handle anything that happens," said Sheriff's Lt. Valerie Bickel. "You just never know."

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19DAGO04 wrote:
Are you saying HA's is also mixed? Everybody I've seen from HA's looks White.[/quote]

Yes sir.

HAMC has Asians (Frisco, Oakland, Cleveland), NAmericans (many US charters), Chicanos (many CAL and AZ charters), South Americans (Brazil/Chilean Charters). There was even a African American in an English Charter (http://www.hellsangelswindsor.co.uk/memorial.htm). There have been many non-whites in their puppet clubs. The actor David LaBrava (Happy on Sons of Anarchy) is a Hells Angel. And I don't think he is a white boy.

All that HAMC racist, white, redneck BS is spewed out by the media and law enforcement. They just look at the Swazis and Sigs and try to demonize HAMC as a racist organization/gang. Of course there are racist Angels (and whole charters that are probably racist), but a HA will always choose brother/club over race. No matter what. That's part of being in a club like that.[/quote]


I read somewhere that a requirement was you could not be black.......everthing else and everyone else was accepted.

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mayugastank wrote:
19DAGO04 wrote:
Are you saying HA's is also mixed? Everybody I've seen from HA's looks White.
Yes sir.

HAMC has Asians (Frisco, Oakland, Cleveland), NAmericans (many US charters), Chicanos (many CAL and AZ charters), South Americans (Brazil/Chilean Charters). There was even a African American in an English Charter (http://www.hellsangelswindsor.co.uk/memorial.htm). There have been many non-whites in their puppet clubs. The actor David LaBrava (Happy on Sons of Anarchy) is a Hells Angel. And I don't think he is a white boy.

All that HAMC racist, white, redneck BS is spewed out by the media and law enforcement. They just look at the Swazis and Sigs and try to demonize HAMC as a racist organization/gang. Of course there are racist Angels (and whole charters that are probably racist), but a HA will always choose brother/club over race. No matter what. That's part of being in a club like that.[/quote]


I read somewhere that a requirement was you could not be black.......everthing else and everyone else was accepted.[/quote]

That's why I tripped when I saw that memorial page. :shock: There's blacks in some of the support clubs though, and even the East Bay Dragons support HAMCOakland. But that dude on that page is a full patch Angel!

BTW...like how I said that "There was even a African American in an English Charter"

Maybe I should have said African Brit? Or maybe just black dude. Not to be prejudiced...I just think that its funny that when I see a black man, I automatically think AA.

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Unread post by jeff » April 24th, 2010, 10:27 pm

the black englishman hells angel is mentioned in one of yves lavigne's books (i think it's 'three can keep a secret if two are dead'). the book hells angels: into the abyss also talks about a supposed black member of the outlaws mc. like i've mentioned on the board in the past, these clubs aren't totally impenetrable and going to be 100% racially pure. my dad, who's born and raised in oakland, told me a story about one of his best friends growing up that became a hells angel. he was half black and half white, and a total nut case according to my dad. i don't know if maybe he looked all white and that's why he was able to join, but either way he's half black and somehow made into the ha's.

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Unread post by ColleenKnox » May 29th, 2010, 3:50 am

I work for Harley-Davidson....i see mongols everyday. 'Doc' the founder is in Montebello jail. The Mongols originated in Montebello, Ca.
ive heard they are now the largest one-percenter MCC in the world. just some info for ya....

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Unread post by Sentenza » May 29th, 2010, 5:22 am

mayugastank wrote:
I read somewhere that a requirement was you could not be black.......everthing else and everyone else was accepted.
Not true. There are black Bandidos and Hells Angels all over the World. Asians & Turks and Arabs also. Doesnt matter to them.

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http://www.hells-angels-turkey.com/

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Gregory Wooley

Gregory Wooley, nicknamed "Picasso", was born in Haiti in 1972.
At some point, Wooley became an associate of Hell's Angels' leader Maurice "Mom" Boucher and the Rockers biker gang.
Six days later, Greg Wooley became the first black member of the Rockers. He was given his patch by Maurice Boucher personally and then celebrated by partying with members of the Hell's Angels Nomads chapter, showing off his colors at all their regular haunts.
http://www.rapdict.org/Gregory_Wooley

They even have Japanese Chapters:

http://deadly-drive.com/gallery_overseas.html

Check out Hells Angels Brazil too. They have black members too:

http://www.hells-angels.com.br/

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Unread post by 19DAGO04 » May 29th, 2010, 8:46 am

Not true. There are black Bandidos and Hells Angels all over the World. Asians & Turks and Arabs also
There aren't black HA and Bandidos all over. I think the exception was that English HA. Although there are blacks in HA puppet clubs.
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I think this dude is Chicano.
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Gregory Wooley

Gregory Wooley, nicknamed "Picasso", was born in Haiti in 1972.
At some point, Wooley became an associate of Hell's Angels' leader Maurice "Mom" Boucher and the Rockers biker gang.
Six days later, Greg Wooley became the first black member of the Rockers. He was given his patch by Maurice Boucher personally and then celebrated by partying with members of the Hell's Angels Nomads chapter, showing off his colors at all their regular haunts.
http://www.rapdict.org/Gregory_Wooley
Rockers was a separate 1% club. But who knows, they probably would have been absorbed into HA, and Wooley might have become a full patched HA.
They even have Japanese Chapters:

http://deadly-drive.com/gallery_overseas.html
Those are not HA. But they are partying with HA's. I still don't think HA has a Japanese charter (but they were going to try to start one in the 1980's).
Check out Hells Angels Brazil too. They have black members too:

http://www.hells-angels.com.br/
The Brazilian charters mostly have light colored Portuguese Brazilians in them. IDK if they have Afro-Brazilians. You might have also noticed the Dominican charter that the HA have. No Afro-Dominicans in it. I think it is made up mostly of white HA who relocated to the Dominican.

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Unread post by Sentenza » May 29th, 2010, 11:43 am

19DAGO04 wrote:
There aren't black HA and Bandidos all over. I think the exception was that English HA. Although there are blacks in HA puppet clubs.
They are not the majority, but i have seen some so far. Im pretty sure in California and maybe even in the US they have none, but the racial politics of the US are not valid in the rest of the world. I know that the boss of Hells Angels Europe and Germany stressed that they accept members of all colours and religions and that they are a brotherhood and not racial. It seems to be true if you look at their membership. Here in my city they have all kinds of nationalities in Hells Angels and Bandido Mcs.
19DAGO04 wrote: The Brazilian charters mostly have light colored Portuguese Brazilians in them. IDK if they have Afro-Brazilians. You might have also noticed the Dominican charter that the HA have. No Afro-Dominicans in it. I think it is made up mostly of white HA who relocated to the Dominican.
Did you check the pics on that site. You can see black members on there. At least they appear to me as black. I cant hotlink them because they disabled right clicking.

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Sentenza wrote: Did you check the pics on that site. You can see black members on there. At least they appear to me as black. I cant hotlink them because they disabled right clicking.
I did. I didn't see any black HA's. But I saw blacks that were from other MC's. Non of the blacks had any HA patches or gear on.
They are not the majority, but i have seen some so far. Im pretty sure in California and maybe even in the US they have none, but the racial politics of the US are not valid in the rest of the world.
But are they full patched HA's that you see, or are they hang arounds, or are they from another club? I don't doubt that the European 1% cluba are multiethnic (I've already stated that), but a black HA/Bandido seems like such a rarity. I just don't believe that black HA/Bandidos are that common anywhere. I've seen a few blacks riding with Mongols and HA, but they are hang arounds, or they are from another club. After all, in the US there are HA that are Polynesian, Native, Asian, Jewish, Mexican and Hispanic. Isn't the Amsterdam pres of HA Southeast Asian?

You're right about the politics aspect. I hear that the European arm of HA has more influence within the club, since there are more HA in Europe than in North America.
I know that the boss of Hells Angels Europe and Germany stressed that they accept members of all colours and religions and that they are a brotherhood and not racial. It seems to be true if you look at their membership.
Yeah-but HA officers also say that they are not a criminal organization, and that they are only a riding brotherhood made up of men with similar interests. I'm not trying to diss HA, because I have respect for all 1% clubs-but it's just funny that they always say things like that. But I do know that they do accept most anyone as long as they put the club and the brotherhood above all else.

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Unread post by 19DAGO04 » May 29th, 2010, 12:25 pm

BTW-How did the mongols thread turn into a HA thread!?!? LOL! Just shows you the influence that the 81's have.

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Ok just for you:

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Ok, now im gonna get killed for stealing pics. :mrgreen:

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Unread post by Sentenza » May 29th, 2010, 6:57 pm

^^ This is from the Hells Angels Brazil website. They wouldnt allow fakes to show off there. Look it up for yourselves. Hells Angels Brazil.

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Sentenza wrote:Ok just for you:

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Ok, now im gonna get killed for stealing pics. :mrgreen:
Like I said, I don't see any black HA in those photos.

Look at the patches on their vests. Not HA patches. their from another MC. None of them have death heads or "Hells Angels" gear/tattoos either.

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Unread post by jeff » June 7th, 2010, 12:59 am

I was surprised to see this. Someone on Ebay based out of Malaysia is selling knock off Hells Angels shirts with the actual logo, Deaths Head, and bottom rocker. They are selling Mongols knock offs too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/HELLS-ANGELS-CALIFO ... 76beb89eec

http://cgi.ebay.com/MONGOLS-CALIFORNIA- ... 76beb1c70a

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jeff wrote:I was surprised to see this. Someone on Ebay based out of Malaysia is selling knock off Hells Angels shirts with the actual logo, Deaths Head, and bottom rocker. They are selling Mongols knock offs too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/HELLS-ANGELS-CALIFO ... 76beb89eec

http://cgi.ebay.com/MONGOLS-CALIFORNIA- ... 76beb1c70a
HA! Looks like the HA one has already been taken down! Those Angels got there eyes on everything! Including this forum probably!

Fuckin ballsy (or just plain stupid) move by a merchant to try to sell merchandise with a Death's Head or the HA name on it to the public.

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Sentenza wrote:^^ This is from the Hells Angels Brazil website. They wouldnt allow fakes to show off there. Look it up for yourselves. Hells Angels Brazil.
I read Yves Lavigne book HA's Into the Abyss. Don't know how much you can take out of it, since a lot of his writing is very biased. But he brings up the black English HA and a black full patched Vancouver HA. Both earned the HA colors through a club patch overs. Barger capped on the black Canadian Angels's AKA in the book. I guess the Vancouver Angels were trying to hide the fact that they had a black member, and Barger assumed he was polynesian until he head that his AKA was Buckwheat. Then the black Angel changed his name to Detroit. Barger is quoted as saying that the black Angel might as well change his name to Watermelon. Then the black Angel finally settled with "The Cuban."

The book also describes that a vote to allow only all whites was taken after the Vancouver Charter was established. It seems Barger, and the HAMC considers black people to be restricted to black Africans, and whites to be anybody else that isn't black African. Kind of odd. But Barger and other HA are quoted on federal taps (via the book) saying disparaging things about blacks, and reiterating that blacks were not welcome into the club after a national vote. Although Barger does give respects to the East Bay Dragons MC.

The black Outlaw is probably not black. In the book, HA are looking at photocopied outlaw photographs in order to case potential retaliation victims. One HA thought the Outlaws had a black member since he looked black in the photocopies. But the UC agent at the meeting brings up the issue of the poor and darkend quality of the photocopies. So that Outlaw might not be black.

I think all of the major 1% clubs do not allow blacks in (HA, MMC, Banditos, Vagos, SOS, Pagans, Outlaws, Florida based Warlocks).

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19DAGO04 wrote:
jeff wrote:I was surprised to see this. Someone on Ebay based out of Malaysia is selling knock off Hells Angels shirts with the actual logo, Deaths Head, and bottom rocker. They are selling Mongols knock offs too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/HELLS-ANGELS-CALIFO ... 76beb89eec

http://cgi.ebay.com/MONGOLS-CALIFORNIA- ... 76beb1c70a
HA! Looks like the HA one has already been taken down! Those Angels got there eyes on everything! Including this forum probably!

Fuckin ballsy (or just plain stupid) move by a merchant to try to sell merchandise with a Death's Head or the HA name on it to the public.
Wow that was fast! I'll chalk that up as another notch in the Hells Angels belt when it comes to taking care of business. They are the best at it. Even someone as far away as Malaysia can't get away with pulling one over on the Angels.The Mongols gear is still there last time I checked.

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Re: The Mongols Motorcycle Club

Unread post by jeff » June 9th, 2010, 8:55 pm

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Sentenza wrote:^^ This is from the Hells Angels Brazil website. They wouldnt allow fakes to show off there. Look it up for yourselves. Hells Angels Brazil.
I read Yves Lavigne book HA's Into the Abyss. Don't know how much you can take out of it, since a lot of his writing is very biased. But he brings up the black English HA and a black full patched Vancouver HA. Both earned the HA colors through a club patch overs. Barger capped on the black Canadian Angels's AKA in the book. I guess the Vancouver Angels were trying to hide the fact that they had a black member, and Barger assumed he was polynesian until he head that his AKA was Buckwheat. Then the black Angel changed his name to Detroit. Barger is quoted as saying that the black Angel might as well change his name to Watermelon. Then the black Angel finally settled with "The Cuban."

The book also describes that a vote to allow only all whites was taken after the Vancouver Charter was established. It seems Barger, and the HAMC considers black people to be restricted to black Africans, and whites to be anybody else that isn't black African. Kind of odd. But Barger and other HA are quoted on federal taps (via the book) saying disparaging things about blacks, and reiterating that blacks were not welcome into the club after a national vote. Although Barger does give respects to the East Bay Dragons MC.

The black Outlaw is probably not black. In the book, HA are looking at photocopied outlaw photographs in order to case potential retaliation victims. One HA thought the Outlaws had a black member since he looked black in the photocopies. But the UC agent at the meeting brings up the issue of the poor and darkend quality of the photocopies. So that Outlaw might not be black.

I think all of the major 1% clubs do not allow blacks in (HA, MMC, Banditos, Vagos, SOS, Pagans, Outlaws, Florida based Warlocks).
:lol: That "watermelon" line was a classic! I normally don't like racial humor but I have to credit where it's due. Anyway, I dont know where the logic comes in either of allowing virtually every race but black. I think it was in Barger's autobiography he reasoned that blacks have their own clubs (again he mentioned East Bay Dragon's) and therefore it wouldnt make sense for them to want to join the Hells Angels when they could ride with their own kind. I also have my doubts that the guy from the book was a black Outlaw. Out of the bigger 1% clubs, Outlaws are probably the closest to being all-white. I will see if I can get my Dad to talk more about this half white/black Hells Angel that he was close friends with growing up. He told me his name once but I've since forgotten it.

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Re: The Mongols Motorcycle Club

Unread post by mayugastank » June 9th, 2010, 11:34 pm

Sentenza wrote:^^ This is from the Hells Angels Brazil website. They wouldnt allow fakes to show off there. Look it up for yourselves. Hells Angels Brazil.

Sentenza.....I dont know if you try to get a rise or if you really believe this kumba yah .....baloney.THERE ARE NO AMERICAN BLACK HELLS ANGELS -California politics arent limited to California -Asian-Samoans-Thais or anyother asians are allowed in ONLY if they renounce their culture and except that the angels and other 1% clubs as being white organizations-the ones that do ride arent rocking asian power. Chicanos and Whites are interchangeable-meaning in most organizations except for the KKK and White Power Movements -chicanos are considered either allies or colored whites. Its the law of California and it has swept across all America. Especially in the southwest.

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Unread post by Sentenza » June 10th, 2010, 5:58 am

mayugastank wrote: Sentenza.....I dont know if you try to get a rise or if you really believe this kumba yah .....baloney.THERE ARE NO AMERICAN BLACK HELLS ANGELS -California politics arent limited to California -Asian-Samoans-Thais or anyother asians are allowed in ONLY if they renounce their culture and except that the angels and other 1% clubs as being white organizations-the ones that do ride arent rocking asian power. Chicanos and Whites are interchangeable-meaning in most organizations except for the KKK and White Power Movements -chicanos are considered either allies or colored whites. Its the law of California and it has swept across all America. Especially in the southwest.
Thats what i was saying. But US rules dont apply in the rest of the world. As you can see in the Black Hells Angels Chapter in UK. I know a guy personally who is from Bandidos, Muslim Arab, from Syria. The list goes on.

It doesnt surprise me, that its not like that in the US, since people over there are obsessed with race, i know that.

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Re: The Mongols Motorcycle Club

Unread post by Sentenza » June 10th, 2010, 6:20 am

19DAGO04 wrote:
Sentenza wrote:^^ This is from the Hells Angels Brazil website. They wouldnt allow fakes to show off there. Look it up for yourselves. Hells Angels Brazil.
I read Yves Lavigne book HA's Into the Abyss. Don't know how much you can take out of it, since a lot of his writing is very biased. But he brings up the black English HA and a black full patched Vancouver HA. Both earned the HA colors through a club patch overs. Barger capped on the black Canadian Angels's AKA in the book. I guess the Vancouver Angels were trying to hide the fact that they had a black member, and Barger assumed he was polynesian until he head that his AKA was Buckwheat. Then the black Angel changed his name to Detroit. Barger is quoted as saying that the black Angel might as well change his name to Watermelon. Then the black Angel finally settled with "The Cuban."

The book also describes that a vote to allow only all whites was taken after the Vancouver Charter was established. It seems Barger, and the HAMC considers black people to be restricted to black Africans, and whites to be anybody else that isn't black African. Kind of odd. But Barger and other HA are quoted on federal taps (via the book) saying disparaging things about blacks, and reiterating that blacks were not welcome into the club after a national vote. Although Barger does give respects to the East Bay Dragons MC.

The black Outlaw is probably not black. In the book, HA are looking at photocopied outlaw photographs in order to case potential retaliation victims. One HA thought the Outlaws had a black member since he looked black in the photocopies. But the UC agent at the meeting brings up the issue of the poor and darkend quality of the photocopies. So that Outlaw might not be black.

I think all of the major 1% clubs do not allow blacks in (HA, MMC, Banditos, Vagos, SOS, Pagans, Outlaws, Florida based Warlocks).
Yea you are probably right. It seems to be like that in the USA. I was assuming that there are probably exceptions to the rule, since Motorcycle clubs outside the US are multiracial pretty often.
I saw an interview with the German boss of the Hells Angels the other day and he said that they allow anyone in, no matter what his color of skin or religion is.
And as i said i know for a fact that they have a lot of Middle Eastern/Muslim members Turks, Arabs, Kurds, etc.
And they have chapters in Indonesia, Thailand and Singapore.
But so far apart from the examples you mentioned i just found vague remarks pointing at the existance of black members, but no proof.

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Re: The Mongols Motorcycle Club

Unread post by 19DAGO04 » June 10th, 2010, 10:52 pm

Sentenza wrote:
mayugastank wrote: Sentenza.....I dont know if you try to get a rise or if you really believe this kumba yah .....baloney.THERE ARE NO AMERICAN BLACK HELLS ANGELS -California politics arent limited to California -Asian-Samoans-Thais or anyother asians are allowed in ONLY if they renounce their culture and except that the angels and other 1% clubs as being white organizations-the ones that do ride arent rocking asian power. Chicanos and Whites are interchangeable-meaning in most organizations except for the KKK and White Power Movements -chicanos are considered either allies or colored whites. Its the law of California and it has swept across all America. Especially in the southwest.
Thats what i was saying. But US rules dont apply in the rest of the world. As you can see in the Black Hells Angels Chapter in UK. I know a guy personally who is from Bandidos, Muslim Arab, from Syria. The list goes on.

It doesnt surprise me, that its not like that in the US, since people over there are obsessed with race, i know that.

Yea you are probably right. It seems to be like that in the USA. I was assuming that there are probably exceptions to the rule, since Motorcycle clubs outside the US are multiracial pretty often.
I saw an interview with the German boss of the Hells Angels the other day and he said that they allow anyone in, no matter what his color of skin or religion is.
And as i said i know for a fact that they have a lot of Middle Eastern/Muslim members Turks, Arabs, Kurds, etc.
And they have chapters in Indonesia, Thailand and Singapore.
But so far apart from the examples you mentioned i just found vague remarks pointing at the existance of black members, but no proof.
I think the exceptions were the black Angels from Vancouver and Windsor. They kind of "slipped" in because not that many HA around the world knew about them. It seemed that they might have been hidden until the original clubs patched over as HAMC. There was an Angel from HAMCOakland quoted as saying that he was going to kill the Vancouver black Angel if he ever showed up at a run. HAMCO has always been known as a multi-ethnic charter (Hawaiian, Filipino, Mexican, Brazilian members) and look how much they thought of a black member.

The Windsor Angel got a full HAMC burial after he was killed by cops. And, there is a HAMC hangout bar named after him. Goes to show you haw different race reltions in the US and Europe are, in regards to blacks.

HA have Asian charters? I know BMC, OMC have some, but I don't think HAMC has any yet. The last I heard was that Japan WAS trying for one, but it was denied. But me and a few others have already stated that HA have Asian members (Frisco, Oakland, Cleavland, Amsterdam), so it wouldn't surprise me if they established an Asian Charter down the road.

Look, a load of us have already stated that there are plenty non-whites in HAMC and BMC. I think the question is: "do they have members of black African heritage?" I say not anymore, since the Windsor and Vancouver Angels. Mexican American Angels might be a thing of the past too. There is word out that Mongols now are specifically targeting any Mexican American members of HA. Don't know if it is true though.

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Re: The Mongols Motorcycle Club

Unread post by 19DAGO04 » June 10th, 2010, 11:10 pm

:lol: That "watermelon" line was a classic! I normally don't like racial humor but I have to credit where it's due. Anyway, I dont know where the logic comes in either of allowing virtually every race but black. I think it was in Barger's autobiography he reasoned that blacks have their own clubs (again he mentioned East Bay Dragon's) and therefore it wouldnt make sense for them to want to join the Hells Angels when they could ride with their own kind. I also have my doubts that the guy from the book was a black Outlaw. Out of the bigger 1% clubs, Outlaws are probably the closest to being all-white. I will see if I can get my Dad to talk more about this half white/black Hells Angel that he was close friends with growing up. He told me his name once but I've since forgotten it.

Yeah i was classic. I love racial humor! And I'm not a racist. It's just funny to let that shit fly-since the everyday Joe gets bent on racial issues. Good way to let some pent up shit out! Yea, Outlaws MC gotta be up there. They have some members in some of the Illinois charters that are Mexican American, or maybe PR. They supposedly had some light skinned Cubans in some of the Florida charters too. SOS, Pagans, Breed MC, Warlocks (Philly based) gotta be up there in terms of being all white, or close to that.

That would be interesting on hearing more about your pops friend.

About this:
I dont know where the logic comes in either of allowing virtually every race but black.
That is a trip. But I have come to realize that most every other ethnicity in the US is really racist against blacks. It seems like it is almost a sort of "it's all of us-against them." i realized this through many friends of different ethnicities.

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