Definition of race

These concepts are socially constructed and have been given much weight. What are your thoughts?
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Definition of race

Unread postby Sentenza » July 24th, 2014, 4:59 am

Is it just me or is the definition of race very inconsistent/confusing.

Its called "white", but mexicans or Turks or arabs who are white or japanese do not count as white.

Example: This is the Queen of Morocco, born in Morocco, she is Arab and Muslim.

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Wouldnt she count as white?

Or her, she is 100% turkish:

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Also its called "black", but Indians or Tamils who are darker then some africans do not count as black. I had a buddy from Afghanistan who was darker then some africans...

Back in the days Italiens didnt count as white because they were catholic.

It seems like colour of skin isnt an appropriate method of distinguishing people, because all overlap with each other.

How white does a mexican have to be to count as white, or why do spaniards count as white when they are lot the same like many mexicans (by their looks and culturally)?

Are greeks white and turks not, even though they have culturally alot in common and even look the same?

Or is it about something else in reality? Doesnt make sense to me at all.

Can someone enlighten me?

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Re: Definition of race

Unread postby MMRbkaRudog » July 24th, 2014, 4:55 pm

I think these definitions can vary by country, but it's simply a race card. It may not make sense, but it is what it is.

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Re: Definition of race

Unread postby Sentenza » July 24th, 2014, 5:23 pm

MMRbkaRudog wrote:I think these definitions can vary by country, but it's simply a race card. It may not make sense, but it is what it is.


I think race really is a very subjective term that changes as you said from country to country.
A black power guy doesnt include tamils or aborigines in australia.
A white power guy doesnt identify with white turks or arabs.
Religion comes into play and cultural heritage. At the end of the day its not about race or color of skin at all.

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Re: Definition of race

Unread postby bumperjack » July 24th, 2014, 11:11 pm

Race is about color of skin to many but it is about heritage that counts there are skin colors that are. Of different decents so it can be confusing...peace out Bumperjack

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Re: Definition of race

Unread postby Silencioso » July 31st, 2014, 1:35 pm

The US counts Turks and Arabs as white so both those women would be white here, even if they were darker complexioned. Latinos that looks white usually are predominantly European and can identify as white in the US if they choose. The only totally white skinned people that are never classified as white are East Asians and lighter East Indians/South Asians.

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Re: Definition of race

Unread postby Silencioso » July 31st, 2014, 1:48 pm

bumperjack wrote:Race is about color of skin to many but it is about heritage that counts there are skin colors that are. Of different decents so it can be confusing...peace out Bumperjack


Race isn't about skin color. Color is just an easy way to describe people. Nobody is classified as Asian, Pacific Islander or native American because of their skin color. Those categories are based on geography and ancestry.

The white category is based on a racist superiority trip that's why Europeans hate to acknowledge Middle Eastern and Caucasus Mtn. people as "white" even though they're obviously the same basic race. Europeans like to think they're a special race, apart from the rest of humanity.

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Re: Definition of race

Unread postby Sentenza » August 1st, 2014, 4:50 pm

Silencioso wrote:
bumperjack wrote:Race is about color of skin to many but it is about heritage that counts there are skin colors that are. Of different decents so it can be confusing...peace out Bumperjack


Race isn't about skin color. Color is just an easy way to describe people. Nobody is classified as Asian, Pacific Islander or native American because of their skin color. Those categories are based on geography and ancestry.

The white category is based on a racist superiority trip that's why Europeans hate to acknowledge Middle Eastern and Caucasus Mtn. people as "white" even though they're obviously the same basic race. Europeans like to think they're a special race, apart from the rest of humanity.


Race categories were based on studies that were made in the 17th and 18th century, which were flawed. It was a distinction made to enable the devaluation of people in order to exploit them.Humans were classified into several races, depending on which scientist you asked. Negroid, Mongoloid and so on, based on classifications that have been proven wrong by genetics.
According to our DNA we are all so close that there is just one human race. These distinctions are cultural distinctions.
You can be white, but still not be accepted into a white group. You can be brown or black and still not be accepted into a brown or black group. And vice versa. Indians and Africans dont blend in together at all. They have conflicts going on. Same goes for Turks /Arabs and many Europeans.
The white category usually doesnt mean white, but protestant christian of european descent. That would be more accurate.
I know a lot of white people that dont fit into that category.

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Re: Definition of race

Unread postby Silencioso » August 2nd, 2014, 3:05 pm

The white category usually doesnt mean white, but protestant christian of european descent. That would be more accurate

LOL White means protestant of European descent.? wow, I doubt the average Stormfronter would even be that extreme! Are you seriously saying Irish, French, Poles, Bavarians, Czechs...aren't considered white? Where exactly on Earth are those people not grouped as white?

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Re: Definition of race

Unread postby Sentenza » August 2nd, 2014, 3:56 pm

Silencioso wrote:The white category usually doesnt mean white, but protestant christian of european descent. That would be more accurate

LOL White means protestant of European descent.? wow, I doubt the average Stormfronter would even be that extreme! Are you seriously saying Irish, French, Poles, Bavarians, Czechs...aren't considered white? Where exactly on Earth are those people not grouped as white?


No, thats what white supremacists often think.
In the US irish and italians werent considered part of white mainstraem america, because they were catholic.
The Nazis didnt even consider americans completely as part of their race, because in their eyes americans were too mixed and watered down racially.
Like i said all these categorizations arent consistant at all. Totally wishy washy.
Lets put it this way, for supremacists only white christians of european descent count as white.

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Re: Definition of race

Unread postby bumperjack » August 4th, 2014, 8:17 am

http://soaw.org/index.php?option=com_co ... cle&id=482 this article will give you a better understanding of White Supremacy,Racism consists of both prejudice and discrimination based in social preceptions of biological differences between peoples. It often takes the form of social actions, practices or beliefs,White people consists of European Ancestry some might say religion plays a part Christain Identity refers to a wide variety of loosley affilated believers and churchs with a white supremacist theology, Most promote a racist interpretation of Christianity.In 1984 that movement first recieved widespread attention by mainstream media when the white nationalist organization known as the Order embarked on a murderous crime spree before being taken down by the FBI. Definition of race could be very debatable and Controversial,Iam white: English last name and of Irish and German and Portuguese decent,White Supremacy has a wide variety of different beliefs between all there different Movements,Some consider any assumption that a person's behavior is tied to thier racial categorization is inherently racist.You have alot of nationalitys that are considered white of natinal orgin.

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Re: Definition of race

Unread postby alexalonso » December 17th, 2015, 2:49 pm

you can actually argue that Race does not exist. Its in our imagination.


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